Monday, April 14, 2014

Karna,Shalya conversation


 Some hindu right wingers in their articles,Arjuna fans, criticised karna as being opposed to women's liberation as because of a argument he had with shalya when he was the charioteer of karna on the seventeenth day of mahabharata war.Karna was killed unrighteously that day as shalya didnt raise the chariot from the earth.
The kmg version says that shalya says karna doesnt know a man's duties and karna abused the women of madra kingdom to whom shalya is king.Madra kingdom today is in Afghanistan,beside gandhara kingdom.
The kmg version doesn't give full details of that conversation.Shalya first abused anga kingdom women,and Karna abused back at madra kingdom women.Karna wasnt opposed to women's liberation or was he regressive in anyway.He just mocked shalya back.Shalya was requested by yudhishtira and krishna to weaken karna's resolve when he becomes he charioteer of karna.And so shalya kept on praising Arjuna,Abusing karna,anga kingdom people to divert karna's attention.There is a term called shalya sarathya in sanskrit.That means if someone talks discouragingly negatively on anyone doing anything it is called shalya sarathya.It was a deliberate plan by krishna.Shaly showed his loyalty to pandavas by not lifting karna's chariot from the earth.So karna had to come down to lift it.And he also didnt fight that well on eighteenth day and was killed by yudhishtira,there by making pandavas win the war.
if some people dont realise what karna was saying and take these things as they are then they will get confused.Karna,Shaklya conservation is not a representation of karna's opinions.
Also some conspiritors,Arjuna fans, are saying that karna is a supporter of the caste,class system,which he opoosed before he was anga king.So he is an oppurtunist.This is nonsense.Karna said that madra people had no respect for brahmins,and this was rewuired for any people in aryavarta kingdoms.This doesnt mean supporting class.
Some prs,might be doing this deliberately,or they might not know facts.But this should stop.

The south version has been translated into other laguages.It has details of the conversation.
This is what shalya said to karna.
'Karna! why you are saying like that. Dont you know about yourself? Bhishma declared you as an useless Ardha Radha. I heard that the people of your Anga Kingdom are experts in women trafficking and flesh trade. You are the king of such kingdom. You first realise your fault and then point out others’ faults.'

So its obvious that shalya was abusing karna,anga people.



















4 comments:

  1. But is there any instance where karna gave charity to lower chaste people other than brahmanas ? As it is always mentioned ,yes he even gave donation to Indra but he also came as brahmana but agreed that karna knew he wasn't a brahmana , also it is said that he was very liberal after his death so please clarify !

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    1. You shit, he always faught against castism and for his people of lower section. And you still want proof of his donations to lower caste.people like you spread castism in society bcz you just want your caste name every where and spread hate for other societies.shame on you

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  2. Karna gave charities to all people.Its well known.


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  3. Evident that your understanding is zero on subject and more devotion on Karna the many time loser . Arjuna was made winner by the author Vyasa and not by fans association...... moron writer !
    Charity of Karna started only when he was defeated by Gandharvas .. The golden door teeth , all are folklores blown by fans and admirers of the character !!!

    Madra is close to Punjab Sialkot Pakistan not in Afghansitan


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madra_Kingdom

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