Monday, October 6, 2014

vaishnavanam yatha Shambhu


 I heard the phrase vaishnavanam yatha shambhu which is in bhagavatha which is said by suka.Vaishnavites claimed that the following verse says shiva is the biggest devotee of shiva.
I was intrigued by this verse.How could suka say that which goes against the sruti and the puranas like shiva purana.The first interpretation was shambhu is rudra,so rudra can be the biggest devotee of shiva.That looked good,but I was not totally convinced.There is no isntance of rudra being devotee f shiva in puranas,although there are eleven rudras which aid vishnu in slaying demons.Shambhu is one of the rudras.But the verse is part of a larger poem nimagnanaam yatha ganga devanaam achyuto yatha vaishnavanaam yatha shambhu puranaam idam tatha kshetranaam chaiva sarvesaam yatha kashiryanutamaam tatha purana vratanaam srimad bhagavatam dvijah.
The chaitanya cult followers wrongly say nimnaganaam instead of nimagnanaam.Nimagnanaam means among the dippable rivers.So the verse means Among the dippable rivers like ganga,like achyuta among devas,like shambhu among vaishnavas,Among all the kshetras or places like kashi,
among puranas it is bhagavata.This is said by suka in varanasi.Since he talked about ganga,kashi he might have meant shambhu as shiva.Why would he say it,I thought.There are many websites which arer run by chaitanya cult followers claiming that shiva is greatest devotee of vishnu.I thought about this for sometime.Then yesterday it occured to me suddenly.Vaishnavanam doesn't mean among the devotees of vishnu.Vaishnavanaaam here means among the knowers of vishnu!vaishnava means who has the knowledge of vishnu.Who has the most gyaana of vishnu tattva.Vaishnavanaam yatha shambhu means among the knowledgeable ones of vishnu like shiva.Shiva has the full knowledge of vishnu,knows vishnu tattva.He is the nirguna brahman who knows about all.So suka is praising shiva here.Since it is bhagavata the emphasis here is on vishnu.Now some might say the verse devanaam achyuto yatha might mean that vishnu is superior.No,bhagavata lays emphasis on vishnu,but doesn't say vishnu is superior to shiva.It upholds the puranic position that  shiva is slightly superior,but its about vishnu.Here devanaam means among the devas.The devas here are Indra,varuna and others.The demi gods are referred here.Shiva is not refered here.So the verse says vishnu among demi gods and other gods.So vishnu is best among demi gods.Suka isnt contradicting anything here.
Without knowing the true meaning og the verse several websites are misinterpreting the verse vaishnnavanaam yatha shambhu.I hope they realise their mistake and stop this misinterpretation.





























13 comments:

  1. Lord Shiva is not God.He is the chief among demigods.Sri Krsna is the Supreme Personality,Bhagwan.The Bhagwatam says 'Krsnas tu bhagvan sawyam', the Brahma Samhita says 'Ishwara parama Krsna,sat chit ananda vighraha anadir adir Govinda sarva karana karanam'.In Bhagwat Gita Krsna says 'aham sarvasya prabhavo mattah sarvam pravartate'. Sripad Shankara 'Bhaja Govindam,Bhaja Govindam,Bhaja Govindam mudha mate...'

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    1. Both are supreme god
      यो विष्णु:स:शिवो ज्ञेया य: शिवा विष्णुरेव स:

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  2. I only gave interpretation of one verse here.

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    1. Your interpretation is misleading. Better to refer the scriptures as given by the great saints.

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  3. Sukha Deva Goswami said that Among the Vaishnavas, the greatest is Shiva.
    Among the devotees of Vishnu, the greatest is Shiva.

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  4. https://www.vedabase.com/en/sb/12/13/16

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  5. How dare you refer chaitanya followers as cult?? You are in Maya hands Sunil...i pity you ...

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  6. I am not a believer in maya as many believe.Maya has a different meaning.

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  7. Ur wrong buddy. Seriously incorrect. If knower of vishnu is the thing, it should be vishnughnam or vaishnavagnaam , the one who is gyata of vishnu and not vaishnavaanam, which says among vaishnavas.
    Better check urself by language sir.

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  8. nimna ganam is the exact word meaning flowing down to the sea, and nimagnananaam means as u said of rivers to be dipped into.

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  9. How can one twist the meaning of a verse so much? Better serve Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu and Nityananda Prabhuji and their associates instead of misleading people with your poor interpretation of Bhagavatam.

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